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		<title>Allow Me to Explain (49 of 439) &#8211; Excess Baggage</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/02/03/allow-me-to-explain-49-of-439-excess-baggage/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The back-story is here. The collection is here. You can subscribe over there. &#62;&#62;&#62; 49. Did Jesus tell His apostles to go barefoot and without a staff? Matt 10:10, Luke 9:3 vs. Mk 6:8-9 No Matthew 10:10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. Luke [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The back-story is <a title="Allow me to explain (0 of 439)" href="http://theestherproject.com/2010/11/22/allow-me-to-explain-0-of-439/">here</a>. The collection is <a href="http://theestherproject.com/category/theology/theyreasoned/">here</a>. You can subscribe over there. &gt;&gt;&gt;</em></p>
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<p><strong>49. Did Jesus tell His apostles to go barefoot and without a staff?</strong> Matt 10:10, Luke 9:3 vs. Mk 6:8-9</p>
<p>No</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Matthew 10:10<br />
nor bag for <em>your</em> journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Luke 9:3<br />
And He said to them, Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Mark 6:8-9<br />
He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff &#8211; no bag, no bread, no copper in <em>their </em>money belts <strong>9</strong> but to wear sandals, and not to put on two tunics.</p>
<p>I could never believe in a God whose followers can&#8217;t get their story straight about sandals and staffs. *exaggerated eye roll* <span id="more-4330"></span></p>
<h3>Jesus told His apostles not to take extras.</h3>
<p>&#8220;Staffs&#8221; is plural in Matthew and Luke, and &#8220;staff&#8221; is singular in Mark. Matthew refers to packing sandals; Mark mentions wearing sandals.</p>
<p>Wear sandals, but don&#8217;t bring extras. If you have a staff, fine, but don&#8217;t pack a spare.</p>
<p>Which fact is obvious to people reading scripture for it&#8217;s meaning rather than it&#8217;s lastest translation. The point is not the holiness of their carry-ons.</p>
<h3>By sending His apostles out without provisions, Jesus was setting up all kinds of stuff.</h3>
<ul>
<li>He was teaching His disciples to trust in God&#8217;s provision while they were doing His work.</li>
<li>He was validating the ministry and office of an apostle. Matthew records the reasoning that, &#8220;a worker is worthy of his food.&#8221;</li>
<li>He was setting up families in the places where His apostles would be received, to be a blessing to His workers, and be blessed in return. All three gospels record the instruction to stay in one home during their time in a given town, and Matthew records the injunction to &#8220;let [their] peace come upon&#8221; that house.</li>
<li>He was creating a very clear warning to peoples who had hardened their hearts against His gospel. All three gospels similarly note the instruction to mark a city that does not welcome the apostles. It is difficult to see your own hardness, like it&#8217;s difficult to see most of your own flaws. If the apostles needed nothing it would have been easy for a region to not really accept them, and still imagine they&#8217;d done nothing wrong. Blatant neglect, and a sign that it was felt from the neglected, should be enough to give someone pause.</li>
<li>He is teaching His followers, for centuries to come, that our ministry starts when He tells us to go. We can&#8217;t sit around and make excuses about how we don&#8217;t have the money or the website or the tools we need. When He says, &#8220;Go,&#8221; we learn here, we go, and He provides as we have need.</li>
</ul>
<p>So no, Jesus did not tell His people go out barefoot and without a staff. He told them to go just as they were, and watch what He could do.</p>
<p><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/02/03/allow-me-to-explain-49-of-439-excess-baggage/#respond"><em>Thoughts? Any lessons from this missionary exercise that I missed?</em></a></p>
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		<title>Peace and Crushing</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I finished reading through Romans again last week, and paused at this paragraph: 17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and [...]]]></description>
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<p>I finished reading through Romans again last week, and paused at this paragraph:</p>
<h5 style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><strong>17</strong> Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. <strong>18</strong> For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. <strong>19</strong> For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil. <strong>20</strong> And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.</em></h5>
<p>It&#8217;s in the midst of Paul&#8217;s signing off. He&#8217;s greeting a bunch of specific people, and then he&#8217;s inspired to include this one last piece of instruction. Something about that made it interesting to me, and as I read it over and over a couple things stuck out:</p>
<h3>Avoid Divisive People</h3>
<p>He tells the Roman Christians to avoid people who cause division and offense. Not to patiently coddle them, or try to coax them into the truth. Not even to bear with them until they feel more cooperative. Just avoid them.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t go so far as to say they should be excluded, or written off, as he does in other circumstances, but just to steer clear.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t generally do that in a lot of local churches today. Sometimes we do the opposite. Sometimes that human attraction to controversy and drama take over, and we lean <em>in</em> to the division and offense instead of <em>away</em> from it.</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<h3>Peace and Crushing</h3>
<p>Scripture doesn&#8217;t appear to have an issue with the &#8220;God of peace&#8221; &#8220;crushing&#8221; His enemy. Peace <em>and</em> crushing.</p>
<p>Here, it could be said that the enemy is not a person, and that&#8217;s true. But in Revelation, the Prince of Peace does some crushing of His own, and those <em>are</em> people.</p>
<p>Maybe our society thinks of &#8220;peace&#8221; differently than God does.</p>
<p><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/30/peace-and-crushing/#respond"><em>Thoughts?</em></a></p>
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		<title>Allow Me To Explain (48 of 439) &#8211; Leadership 101</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/27/allow-me-to-explain-48-of-439-leadership-101/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The back-story is here. The collection is here. You can subscribe over there. &#62;&#62;&#62; 48. Did Jesus baptize anyone? John 3:22 vs. John 4:2 No. (They really think we&#8217;re stupid.) John 3:22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized. John 4:2 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The back-story is <a title="Allow me to explain (0 of 439)" href="http://theestherproject.com/2010/11/22/allow-me-to-explain-0-of-439/">here</a>. The collection is <a href="http://theestherproject.com/category/they-reasoned">here</a>. You can subscribe over there. &gt;&gt;&gt;</em></p>
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<p><strong>48. Did Jesus baptize anyone?</strong> John 3:22 vs. John 4:2</p>
<p>No. (They really think we&#8217;re stupid.)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">John 3:22<br />
After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">John 4:2<br />
(though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples),</p>
<p>So &#8230; no. Does it necessitate explanation?</p>
<h3>Jesus and His disciples were at the river, and His disciples were baptizing people under His supervision and authority.</h3>
<p>Shorter way of saying that? &#8220;Jesus baptized.&#8221; He was, via His disciples.</p>
<p>When we talk about John 6, we say that Jesus fed 5000 men (plus women and children). But Jesus didn&#8217;t really do much. Scripture tells us that He had the disciples organize the crowd. The disciples distributed food, and the disciples cleaned up the left-overs.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but I can think of a few good reasons:</p>
<ul>
<li>Jesus is the best leader ever. He was teaching His disciples how to do the ministry they were going to have to do when He left.</li>
<li>God always has, and always will, use people to do His work.</li>
<li>No one would have wanted Peter to baptize him, if Jesus was also baptizing people. The line would have been unending, and He would eventually have to turn people away when it was time to go, and how would <em>those</em> people feel?</li>
</ul>
<p>In Chapter 3, John takes the short-cut of saying that Jesus baptized because it was enough to introduce the conversation, which was really about John the Baptism turning people over to Jesus&#8217; leadership. In Chapter 4, John clarified the point.</p>
<p>Again:</p>
<h3>Clarification is not contradiction.</h3>
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		<title>Poetry and Theology, With A Side of Real Spoken Word</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/26/poetry-and-theology-with-a-side-of-real-spoken-word/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;ve probably seen this Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus &#8230; poem. Well. He&#8217;s been answered. And not awfully. Allow me to digress for just a moment. *pulls soap box out of Mary Poppins carpet bag* I love that this is garnering attention for spoken word. And, fine, loosely defined, it could be spoken [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve probably seen this Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus &#8230; poem. Well. He&#8217;s been answered. And not awfully.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Allow me to digress for just a moment. </em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>*pulls soap box out of Mary Poppins carpet bag*</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>I love that this is garnering attention for spoken word. And, fine, loosely defined, it could be spoken word, but if you&#8217;ve never really listened to spoken word, don&#8217;t let this be your plum line. </em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>It&#8217;s a fine poem, and the kid is a fine orator. But a lot of spoken word artists and enthusiasts would tell you that spoken word often mixes poetry and prose, weighs heavily on alliteration, messes with meter and internal rhyme scheme, and is more of a performance than a recital. It&#8217;s a good poem, and I&#8217;m sure the guy is genuine and passionate. I&#8217;m just &#8230; gonna continue to call it &#8220;a poem.&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>On to business.</em></p>
<p>First, if you haven&#8217;t seen it, or haven&#8217;t seen the whole thing, start here:</p>
<p><iframe width="500" height="281" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1IAhDGYlpqY?fs=1&#038;feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Now, a Catholic priest responds. And he&#8217;s a little sassy about it. In a fun way. <span id="more-4307"></span></p>
<p><iframe width="500" height="281" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ru_tC4fv6FE?fs=1&#038;feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Touché.</p>
<p>He kind of makes the first guy seem like a punk kid, if you ask me. A well-intentioned, but perhaps over-confident, punk kid.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/26/poetry-and-theology-with-a-side-of-real-spoken-word/#respond">What do you think? Is there a winner? Favorite lines from each one? Are they even talking about the same thing?</a></em></p>
<p>Now, if you <em>really</em> want some spoken word, check out these:</p>
<p><iframe width="500" height="281" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/d25yBIWXayM?fs=1&#038;feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p><iframe width="500" height="281" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/UjU9Qtd70aI?fs=1&#038;feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p><iframe width="500" height="375" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/uI7Cl42UDWQ?fs=1&#038;feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>(AND, while I don&#8217;t touch these three, far be it from me to hide behind a computer screen. My last attempt is <a href="http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19366950" target="_blank">here</a>, starting at 0:40. There&#8217;s no swanky background music or fun camera action, but it&#8217;s there.)</p>
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		<title>Allow Me To Explain (47 of 439) &#8211; Say My Name</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/25/allow-me-to-explain-47-of-439-say-my-name/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The back-story is here. The collection is here. You can subscribe over there. &#62;&#62;&#62; 47. In whose name is baptism to be performed? Matthew 28:19 vs. Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5 Aaand we&#8217;re back. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The back-story is <a title="Allow me to explain (0 of 439)" href="http://theestherproject.com/2010/11/22/allow-me-to-explain-0-of-439/">here</a>. The collection is <a href="http://theestherproject.com/category/they-reasoned">here</a>. You can subscribe over there. &gt;&gt;&gt;</em></p>
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<p><strong>47. In whose name is baptism to be performed?</strong> Matthew 28:19 vs. Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5</p>
<p>Aaand we&#8217;re back.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Matthew 28:19<br />
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Acts 2:38<br />
Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Acts 8:16<br />
For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Acts 10:48<br />
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Acts 19:5<br />
When they heard <em>this, </em>they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.</p>
<p>I love water baptisms. I didn&#8217;t really get it for a while, but once I understood I was next in line and I love it.</p>
<p>Jesus once said that He had come to fulfill the Law. The Old Testament details 600+ commandments necessary to maintain holiness so one can be in the presence of God. Surely &#8211; having fulfilled it all at the highest price, established a &#8220;new and better covenant,&#8221; preached salvation by grace through faith &#8211; no one believes that Jesus&#8217; last words to His disciples were &#8230; more rules.</p>
<h3>Water baptism is a beautiful sacrament that the Lord gave us.</h3>
<p>Romans 6 describes it wonderfully,</p>
<h5 style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><strong>4</strong> Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. <strong>5</strong> For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, <strong>6</strong> knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.</em></h5>
<h3>Water baptism is a public display of faith.</h3>
<p>It is a line in the sand, a commitment. When we are submerged, we symbolize our death to the person we used to be and the life we used to live. When we are raised up, we symbolize our union with the resurrected Christ, and commit to living new lives in Him.</p>
<p>Some verses reference the &#8220;Lord Jesus,&#8221; some just &#8220;the Lord.&#8221; In Acts 8:38, not referenced by the poster, we&#8217;re simply told that Philip baptized a eunuch.</p>
<h3>Each is discussing a circumstance, but none are directly quoting the ceremony.</h3>
<p>Jesus told His disciples to baptize believers into the fulness of the Godhead: Father, Son and Spirit. All and each are God. If we commit our lives to One, we commit our lives to All.</p>
<p>In Acts 2, when Peter was talking to Jewish-background believers, he clarified that the &#8220;Son&#8221; is not a Messiah they were still waiting for, but Jesus the Christ whom they had seen and heard. Not to the exclusion of the Father and Spirit, but for the clarity of the people.</p>
<p>Same story in Acts 8 and 19. Non-Jewish people didn&#8217;t receive the gospel until Acts 10, so chapter 8 is talking about Jewish believers. Chapter 19 is going on in the Church in Corinth &#8211; again: believers clarifying the deity of Christ.</p>
<p>In Acts 10, we&#8217;re talking about the first non-Jewish believers, and scripture just says, &#8220;Lord.&#8221; Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all &#8220;Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most people call me Lex, but my grandparents usually call me Alexis. I had a great-grandmother for a while who called me Kate. My close family call me Lexi, or Lexi Kate. My mom sometimes calls me Alexis Katherine, and Tony calls me Mrs. Wisniewski. None of them are wrong. None of them are talking to, or about, someone else.</p>
<p>The specific words that came out of anyone&#8217;s mouth during a water baptism are never noted, nor are they terribly important.</p>
<h3>The Father, Son and Spirit are three Persons in One Godhead. The Son is Jesus who is the Christ and our Lord.</h3>
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		<title>Free John Piper Book: Bloodlines</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/20/free-john-piper-book-bloodlines/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can download the PDF for free here. Piper posted the free link at the beginning of the week, saying, &#8220;Bloodlines is one of the most autobiographical books I have written. It tells my story from racism to the path of redemption. I preached on the theme of Bloodlines yesterday to mark Martin Luther King weekend. [...]]]></description>
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<p>You can download the PDF for free <a href="http://cdn.desiringgod.org/Bloodlines.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Piper posted the free link at the beginning of the week, saying,</p>
<h5 style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;Bloodlines is one of the most autobiographical books I have written. It tells my story from racism to the path of redemption. I preached on the theme of Bloodlines yesterday to mark Martin Luther King weekend. The title of the message was “From Bloodlines to Bloodline.” I argued that God is calling his people to move from the alienation of many bloodlines to the reconciliation of the single bloodline that began on the cross of Christ.</em></h5>
<h5 style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;I urged my people to read the book. Not because I care about selling books, but because I want them to know my story, to be aware to the global relevance of the issue, and to feel the hope that comes from the power of the gospel.&#8221;</em></h5>
<p><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/20/free-john-piper-book-bloodlines/#respond" target="_blank"><em>Have you read it? Thoughts?</em></a></p>
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		<title>How To Leave Your Church</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/19/how-to-leave-your-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post is a follow-up to the very popular, &#8220;What To Do When You Disagree With Your Pastor,&#8221; and yesterday&#8217;s, &#8220;When To Leave Your Church.&#8221; Your reasons are serious and biblical. Your spouse, if applicable, agrees with you, and you have a few other local churches in mind to check out. Now, how do you [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>This post is a follow-up to the very popular, <a href="http://theestherproject.com/2010/04/28/what-to-do-when-you-disagree-with-your-pastor/">&#8220;What To Do When You Disagree With Your Pastor,&#8221;</a> and yesterday&#8217;s, &#8220;When To Leave Your Church.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Your reasons are serious and biblical. Your spouse, if applicable, agrees with you, and you have a few other local churches in mind to check out. Now,</p>
<h3>how do you actually &#8230; leave?</h3>
<p>The common thing to do is disappear. Just stop going, and don&#8217;t say anything to anybody.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>Hopefully you <em>can&#8217;t</em> do that. Hopefully you&#8217;re volunteering in some capacity, or your kids are involved in the youth group, or you and your spouse are part of a small/home group &#8211; all of which would make it difficult to just stop showing up. Hopefully.</p>
<h3>Meet with your pastor.</h3>
<p>Call or email to set up an appointment, and get together. Calmly and humbly and <em>honestly</em> explain why you feel like this congregation is not a good fit for you and/or your family. <span id="more-4245"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Tell him, or remind him, what you&#8217;ve done to settle your issues via Matthew 18, and what the result ultimately was.</li>
<li>Assure him that you harbor no ill will, that you have nothing against him or his leadership team, but that you just feel it&#8217;s time to move on.</li>
<li>Reassure him that you&#8217;re not angry and you&#8217;re not trying to start an argument; you just wanted make sure everything was clear and leave on good terms.</li>
</ul>
<p>If you <em>are</em> harboring ill will, or you <em>are</em> angry, or you <em>can&#8217;t</em> have that conversation in a calm manner, then you need to spend some time in prayer before your meeting. Maybe he <em>is</em> wrong. Maybe he <em>did</em> hurt you. Maybe you <em>don&#8217;t</em> respect him. You can still forgive, as you&#8217;ve been forgiven. Don&#8217;t leave angry.</p>
<p>If you go to a megachurch, and you can&#8217;t get together with your pastor &#8211; or you don&#8217;t think it wouldn&#8217;t matter because he wouldn&#8217;t know your name(s) anyway &#8211; have that conversation with someone on staff, or someone in leadership. The person who runs the ministry you volunteer in, or the small group you attend, etc.</p>
<p>Not with the crabby woman whom you frequently talk to while waiting to pick up your kids. That&#8217;s gossip. That doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<h3>Then, go quietly.</h3>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to broadcast your decision. If someone asks you, of course, be honest, but err on the side of caution. You don&#8217;t need to tell everyone who asks what you think the pastor&#8217;s many personal faults are, or how you think things should have been run, etc. &#8220;We didn&#8217;t agree with leadership,&#8221; or, &#8220;We couldn&#8217;t support the vision at that church,&#8221; are sufficient explanation for strangers and acquaintances. Don&#8217;t be drawn in.</p>
<h3>The bait you will hear in your ear is that the pastor or the church is leading people into error, and someone needs to expose it.</h3>
<p>Someone needs to tell the truth. Someone needs to do something.</p>
<p>Someone does. And He will. But that&#8217;s not your job.</p>
<p>You still don&#8217;t know every side to the story. You still don&#8217;t know what happens in the church offices on Wednesdays, or in the pastors home during the evenings. You don&#8217;t know the calling that God has on someone else&#8217;s life, so you need to leave it alone. He&#8217;s not your servant (Romans 14:4).</p>
<p>We are all responsible for our own faith and our own salvation &#8211; you, me, that pastor, and the guy sitting on the fourth row every other Sunday. We will all be judged in perfect righteousness by the only One who is perfectly righteous. Don&#8217;t try on those shoes.</p>
<p>Pray for the pastor. Pray for leadership. Pray for the congregation. God is well able to speak, open eyes, create change, etc. It&#8217;s still His Church, His bride, His body. Flawed or not, you don&#8217;t want to be found harassing His love when He comes for her.</p>
<p>(Now, clearly, if there is a financial swindle going on, or abuse of some kind, then yes, you have an obligation to report that to the proper authorities, but hopefully it wouldn&#8217;t have taken you this long to do that.)</p>
<p>If you need to leave, and you&#8217;re ready to leave, (1) have a mature conversation with leadership, and (2) go respectfully.</p>
<p><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/19/how-to-leave-your-church/#respond"><em>Thoughts? Questions? Anything I missed?</em></a></p>
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		<title>When To Leave Your Church</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/18/when-to-leave-your-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a little piece almost a year ago called, &#8220;What To Do When You Disagree With Your Pastor.&#8221; It still gets a lot of action, and people still find this site every day by typing things like, &#8220;what to do when you don&#8217;t respect your pastor.&#8221; The post was written from a privileged position, but I [...]]]></description>
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<p>I wrote a little piece almost a year ago called, <a href="http://theestherproject.com/2010/04/28/what-to-do-when-you-disagree-with-your-pastor/">&#8220;What To Do When You Disagree With Your Pastor.&#8221;</a> It still gets a lot of action, and people still find this site every day by typing things like,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;what to do when you don&#8217;t respect your pastor.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The post was written from a privileged position, but I guess I had forgotten <em>how</em> privileged. I&#8217;m blessed to sit and work under a pastor who I know is a man of integrity, and one who hears from God.</p>
<p>Not everyone, I am reminded, is so fortunate.</p>
<h3>After several heart-breaking stories in the comments on that post, I thought it needed a couple of follow-ups.</h3>
<p>I still believe that that four &#8220;steps&#8221; laid out in that post will solve most issues, but clearly there are exceptions.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: As with &#8220;What To Do When You Disagree With Your Pastor,&#8221; I&#8217;m not in any way qualify to offer advice, except for my years on a church staff. I offer that, and this, advice, as an otherwise &#8220;normal&#8221; person who has seen behind the proverbial curtain.</p>
<h3>If you&#8217;re thinking about leaving your local church. Ask yourself these questions:</h3>
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<h5><em>1 &#8211; How long have I been at this church?</em></h5>
<p>If it hasn&#8217;t been very long, ask yourself how long you were at the church before this one. If you&#8217;re changing churches on a regular basis (annually, say), consider that the common denominator is <em>you</em>. You may have had some misfortune, but you may also be impossible to please.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been at that church for one week, take a deep breath. If you&#8217;re looking for a church, give each one three or four consecutive weeks. Everybody has off days, and it may have been the week you showed up. (Of course, if something really unbiblical was happening &#8211; animal sacrifices or blood-letting or something &#8211; get out.)</p>
<h5><em>2 &#8211; Why are you thinking about leaving?</em></h5>
<p>Be honest.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Bad Reasons:</span></p>
<ul>
<li>Someone hurt your feelings</li>
<li>You feel like no one cares about you</li>
<li>Your favorite social justice issue not represented in their printed information</li>
<li>You tried out for the worship team and got turned down</li>
<li>The bathrooms are too dirty</li>
</ul>
<p>Those are usually things that Holy Spirit is trying to refine in you, or ministries you need to volunteer for, etc. If your reason(s) has to do with <em>you</em>, it&#8217;s probably because of <em>you</em> &#8211; not because of the rest of the church.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Good Reasons:</span></p>
<ul>
<li>You believe that the core beliefs of the congregation are unbiblical</li>
<li>You are unable to support the vision that leadership has received, and is pursuing</li>
<li>You are unable to support leadership &#8211; after having privately discussed your issue with the person in question</li>
<li>The teaching, or the leadership, is misrepresenting Jesus and His gospel in some way</li>
</ul>
<p>If you disagree with your pastor, and you&#8217;ve obeyed Matthew 18 without resolution, then maybe this particular local church is not for you. Most pastors would prefer that you find a local church you can support, instead of staying at theirs in disunity.</p>
<h5><em>Does your spouse agree with you?</em></h5>
<p>If you&#8217;re married, you need to be in agreement. Especially if you have children. As a student ministry leader, I beg you on this point. Your family needs to be in unity.</p>
<h5><em>Where will you go instead?</em></h5>
<p>Spend some time on Google <em>before</em> your last Sunday at your current church, and find at least three other possibilities.</p>
<p>People often hurry out and theeen &#8230; start to sleep in on Sunday mornings, and start making excuses. A year later you&#8217;ll be a weak believer who has been separated from the fold. If you have kids, you&#8217;ll suddenly find yourself raising them without a local church, and you don&#8217;t want to be there.</p>
<p>Tomorrow we&#8217;ll talk about <em>how</em> to leave your church, if you really feel you must.</p>
<p><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/18/when-to-leave-your-church/#respond"><em>Thoughts? Anything I missed?</em></a></p>
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		<title>John Mark McMillan Pre-Sale</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/17/john-mark-mcmillan-pre-sale/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[$12 No worship event I&#8217;d rather be at than a John Mark one. Last I heard, the &#8220;&#38; Friends&#8221; was unannounced, but not All The Bright Lights this time. *pouty face* I&#8217;m sure whomever it is will be grand. You in? Worshipped with JMM and his team before? Testify.]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">$12</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">No worship event I&#8217;d rather be at than a John Mark one.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Last I heard, the &#8220;&amp; Friends&#8221; was unannounced, but not All The Bright Lights this time. *pouty face* I&#8217;m sure whomever it is will be grand.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/17/john-mark-mcmillan-pre-sale/#respond"><em>You in? Worshipped with JMM and his team before? Testify.</em></a></p>
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		<title>Speak Up Now or Forever Be Censored</title>
		<link>http://theestherproject.com/2012/01/16/speak-up-now-or-forever-be-censored/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t usually do politics, because this space is about God&#8217;s word, but this bill that&#8217;s being pushed through Congress &#8211; without any main stream media attention &#8211; could shut us all down in a heartbeat. If you haven&#8217;t been following SOPA, the video above is a good intro. Some of us were crossing out [...]]]></description>
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I don&#8217;t usually do politics, because this space is about God&#8217;s word,</p>
<h3>but this bill that&#8217;s being pushed through Congress &#8211; without any main stream media attention &#8211; could shut us all down in a heartbeat.</h3>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t been following SOPA, the video above is a good intro.</p>
<p>Some of us were crossing out fingers that it would die or get buried while Congress was on holiday recess, but it didn&#8217;t. It will go to the Senate at the end of the month.</p>
<h3>The fact that it&#8217;s being pushed so quietly just after the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012" target="_blank">2012 NDAA</a> was signed is kind of terrifying.</h3>
<p>The government is giving themselves a lot of power, and that&#8217;s not how this country is supposed to run. I&#8217;m not a conspiracy theorist, but no political body or leader should have the power to shut down a website in a moment&#8217;s notice with no evidence of illegal activity. Neither should a government have the right or the power to detain anyone they deem is an &#8220;enemy&#8221; without due process. Both powers combined is a disaster waiting to happen, and something I never thought could happen in this country.</p>
<p>The end of the video directs you to this website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fightforthefuture.org/pipa" target="_blank">http://www.fightforthefuture.org/pipa</a></p>
<h3>Go.</h3>
<p>Type in your name and zip code, and they&#8217;ll send a letter expressing your deep concern about SOPA to your representatives in Congress.</p>
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